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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 8, 2013 5:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: breaking news ( guess what , dead related)

http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher



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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Apr 8, 2013 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Not so breaking news, Mr. Peabody

Hey Mr. Peabody,
I put http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/ into the Wayback Machine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WABAC_machine)
& look what I got:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100612225233/http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/

Does anybody have other cool archived webpages using the Wayback Machine?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 8, 2013 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Margaret Thatcher

> look what I got: http://web.archive.org/web/20100612225233/http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/
> Does anybody have other cool archived webpages using the Wayback Machine?

How in any way is a site dedicated to rutting about in the basest of human desires 'cool'?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 8, 2013 11:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rot In Peace Margaret Thatcher

I need to go register my Pat Robertson site ASAP.

Peace, love and vegetable rights...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/angelameiquan/21-incredibly-angry-songs-about-margaret-thatcher

I loved when Phillip Morris hired her as their spokesperson for opening up the Central/Eastern European market when the wall came down. Viva hate!
http://tinyurl.com/c6uneld




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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 8, 2013 11:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Margaret Thatcher

Her and Pat together... are, like, so 80s of you.

What are you listening to these days?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 9, 2013 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Margaret Thatcher

I came of age in the 80's so I don't wear rose colored glasses for that time period and it's "leaders" in the west.

I've been listening to The Soft White Sixties, Band of Horses, and Richard Thompson (because they all have upcoming shows in Monterey). I've also enjoyed the album "Nomad" by Bombino, produced by Dan Auerbach of the Black Keys, which is an album by a guitarist in Tinairwen - Tuareg rockers. Pretty cool stuff - a lot of the stuff I discover is thru NPR's First Listen (like new Flaming Lips right now).
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/24/174857551/first-listen-bombino-nomad

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 9, 2013 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Margaret Thatcher

I came of age during the 80s as well BD and I earnestly hope that I never wear rose colored glasses of that, or any age. That being said I don't understand the American caricature of her. Is it simply that the friend of my enemy, Ronnie and the Reaganauts, is also my enemy?

I do not pose such questions to our British friends. I lived in Scotland right smack dab in the middle of her reign, so I am familiar with the rage directed against her. Also, since I am not a British citizen and do not fully understand their domestic politics, I lay out of the debates. (Though as an aside, Neil Kinnock seemed to never effectively engage her and was as a consequence a poor leader against her. That he could not make Labour more palatable to the British voter is on him.) My take on her is based on her foreign policy/ geopolitical philosophy, which I think was one key element to ending the Soviet Union.

Tom Chivers, writing for the Telegraph, wrote a thoughtful piece > http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100211373/do-the-swp-and-the-hard-left-hate-margaret-thatcher-for-same-reason-that-liverpool-fans-hate-sir-alex-ferguson/
In particular this stands out as to why the degree of hate and thus the caricature, " because she won, and won emphatically, and in the process brought her opponents down from lofty pedestals and made them irrelevant....The unions and the Socialist Workers' Party and so on hate Thatcher so much because before her they were powerful, and after her they were not."

Though not the scene I wanted (I can no longer find the opening of the party conference in episode two) how could we leave Maggie without a few words from her dramatic twin > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSWrTG8sBRI
I think she had just as much contempt (which she was quite good at) for her political allies as she did for her enemies. After all, who ended her reign? Et tu, Brute?

Thanks for the music update and the NPR First Listen rec.

E- The Telegraph link I think is working now.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 10, 2013 10:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Margaret Thatcher

Interesting thoughts....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher?CMP=twt_gu

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 11, 2013 2:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RIP Margaret Thatcher

The link wording alone was enough to give me pause, but I'm glad I read it and a thanks to you for sharing.

I think Brand is right on about this > ...perhaps that Thatcher died as she sobbed self-pitying tears as she was driven, defeated, from Downing Street, ousted by her own party.

And while I do not know if her aloneness in old age (which Brand captured well) isn't how many elderly folks feel, as what is and who are their contemporaries becomes the past and fades away, Maggie does have some of the flavor of Nixon walking alone on the beach at San Clemente (in his loafers). Most of our endings are (if we make it that far), and will be, rather sad and feeble efforts in comparison to what we had been before.

It will be interesting to see how historians treat her in a generation or two. RIP Maggie.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 8, 2013 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking news ( guess what , dead related)

I thought she was already dead and buried with Reagan.

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Poster: The Simpsons Date: Apr 8, 2013 3:17pm
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no no no nicki is one the sumptuous judges on american idol and is definately mariah careys BIATCH !!!!

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Poster: snori Date: Apr 8, 2013 11:31am
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Her dying is of no interest to me. I just wish she'd never been born.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 8, 2013 11:39am
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and some say i can be harsh...

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Apr 8, 2013 12:49pm
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Well, you didn't have to live through the mayhem she inflicted on the UK, whilst purveying her political dogma.

I'm with snori on this, 100%.

However, the crowd we have in at the moment make her look tame by comparison. It's the same political dogma (throw people out of work and look after your rich chums and then claim that you're "fixing" the economy), but taken to a new extreme.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 8, 2013 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking news ( guess what , dead related)

First thing I thought of when I heard the news...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-BZIWSI5UQ

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Apr 8, 2013 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking news ( guess what , dead related)

Nice one BD - thanks for the link.

EC has always been spot on with his political comment in my opinion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LNB6M7yTBo

BTW, Clive Langer, who co-wrote 'Shipbuilding' with EC, was the original 'Cliff Hanger' long before Brent Mydland. He used the name when he was with the Liverpool band Deaf School in the mid 1970's -

http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/deaf_school.htm

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 8, 2013 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking news ( guess what , dead related)

Thanks. I like Billy Bragg's comment:

"This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society.

"Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don't celebrate -- organise!"

Robert Wyatt's version of Shipbuilding is in this link:

http://louderthanwar.com/top-13-anti-margaret-thatcher-songs/

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Apr 8, 2013 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking news ( guess what , dead related)

What an excellent website !

Also Morrissey's Margaret On The Guillotine at number 13

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Apr 8, 2013 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking news ( guess what , dead related)

Maybe Arthur Scargill will follow her and they can battle it out for supremacy over some satanic shitheap. Demagogues of whatever political persuasion are to be deplored.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Apr 8, 2013 2:40pm
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I agree that Scargill was not much better.

The damage wreaked by Thatcher wasn't just limited to the miners' strike though, it went far beyond destroying the mining industry.

I would argue that her (and Reagan's) actions back then put the bankers in the position of power that they are in today. And we all know where that led us.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 8, 2013 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: breaking news ( guess what , dead related)

I'm very surprised there hasn't been an outpouring of support from the Nixon-ite wing of the forum,after all there must have been something nice to be said about her,even though actions created by her and her political allies caused strife,death and misery for millions.Oddly enough an alarming percentage of our forumites seemed pleased or at least not outraged at the job our political "representatives" are doing in our name,but I can't say I'm aware of what the European/American breakdown as far as that goes is,although I would lean in the direction that the European faction falls more in line with unsatisfied to my unbridled hatred and kill them all viewpoint.

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Poster: runonguinness Date: Apr 8, 2013 4:11pm
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Something nice to be said about her? Yeah, good bye and good riddance.

She did more damage to the UK since anyone or anything since the Luftwaffe.

As for Scargill, if he'd had the balls to have a vote for the miner's strike he'd have won the ballot, the strike would have been solid and who knows how things would have turned out.

Anyway, as someone once said Rejoice!

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Poster: snori Date: Apr 8, 2013 4:36pm
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Sadly Scargill was the best present anyone could have given Thatcher. It's a shame Mick McGahey wasn't NUM leader at the time. He would have found out how much coal was stockpiled, waited for a better time and won a ballot.

The media coverage here has only served to remind me that we haven't had a competent leader in this Country since Attlee. (That's from reading history, not first hand experience.)

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Poster: WillCo Date: Apr 9, 2013 5:54am
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"Sadly Scargill was the best present anyone could have given Thatcher"

Very true. I'd add Argentina's General Galtieri and the IRA as well. She was on the way out in 1982 just before the Falklands invasion; and only the hardest hearts could fail to pity those maimed and murdered in Brighton's Grand Hotel by the provo bombers.

Thatcher was a monster. The greater the cult surrounding her became, the more ashamed I was to be British.

Me too, bluedevil, Elvis Costello's "Tramp The Dirt Down" is a classic. And if anyone hasn't yet heard "Shipbuilding" I urge you to click on bd's link elsewhere in this thread. Chicken-skin music, as Ry would say.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Apr 9, 2013 7:29am
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Shipbuilding -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LNB6M7yTBo

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 8, 2013 5:08pm
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I think you missed the sarcasm in my something nice to be said for her comment,a while ago we had a back and forth on Nixon and some people felt he was just dandy and I called for him to exhumed and shit on,well not in so many words but you get my drift.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2013 12:43pm
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Yes, it's parallel to Reagan here--if you believe that tax reduction works (for economic growth/job generation), welfare states and big gubbermints are bad, and the cold war was won by RR & MT, blah, blah, blah, then yup, the old gal and movie star did it all...

I think that there are real similarities to the myths surrounding the two, and their approaches. MT's quote that all of her for. policy stemmed from avoiding the mistakes made with Adolph always spoke volumes (a patent sound bite if there ever was one for her generation of course).

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Poster: JerseyMark Date: Apr 9, 2013 12:13pm
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Since I'm neither British or Irish, I take no sides in this debate: For Some, No Tears Lost for Thatcher’s Death http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/for-some-no-tears-lost-for-thatchers-death/?ref=nyregion

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Poster: howdoidownloadsoundsboards Date: Apr 8, 2013 8:32am
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You’re a barnacle on the hull of this great ship that simply can’t be scrapped off. Please go away or at least try not to dominate the rap jack as frequently as you do. It would seem you never really have anything new to say.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 8, 2013 12:04pm
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ahhh the troll appears with yet another corny poster name...


ask nicely and maybe i will go away... idiot!!

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Poster: The Simpsons Date: Apr 8, 2013 2:45pm
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speaking in first-person narrative again ????

"in internet slang a troll is someone who posts inflammatory extraneous or multiple off-topic messages in an online community such as a forum chat room or blog with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion"


smile ... cuz nicki minaj luvs ya ... pathetic !!!!

photo nickiminaj_zps31a01421.jpg

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 8, 2013 7:50pm
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here you go ...
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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Apr 8, 2013 9:17pm
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Yep that's my mental picture of you ........ trying to get your Great Dane sized gob round your Chihuahua sized dick but, as usual, getting it completely wrong ........


This (simple) post was modified by RBNW....new and improved! AKA Dumb and Dumber on 2013-04-nn hh:mm:ss

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 9, 2013 2:49am
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trolling in stagnant water as usual with no clue about much...keep up the good work.wanna know how to DL SBDS??

must suck with no friends.

are your mom and dad , brother and sister as well?

lol

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Poster: ducats Date: Apr 8, 2013 3:30pm
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please

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 8, 2013 9:01am
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Seems silly to scrap a ship just because of a few barnacles. Just slap a coat of copper based Marine Green antifouling paint and bolt a few sacrificial zincs to the hull and you're good to go.

So says the lost sailor.......

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Apr 9, 2013 4:24pm
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Iron Maiden killed her before:

http://tinyurl.com/btgg5vb